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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.lifestylesunlimited.com/how_to_protest_your_property_taxes_and_win/#comment-24546</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 03:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, we bought our house march 31 2010 for 187.000.  Our house was the model and is five years old. They have it valued at 194.000.  On dec 30 2008 the exact model sold for 171.000 was built 2008.  And on sept 3 2010 the exact model  sold for 169.400 built 2009.  These houses are older but the exact floor plan model and builder. Can I use these comps since one is from a sale in 2008?  And do I have to use the other sales in the neighborhood since it should be comparable comps and these houses are the exact match?  Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, we bought our house march 31 2010 for 187.000.  Our house was the model and is five years old. They have it valued at 194.000.  On dec 30 2008 the exact model sold for 171.000 was built 2008.  And on sept 3 2010 the exact model  sold for 169.400 built 2009.  These houses are older but the exact floor plan model and builder. Can I use these comps since one is from a sale in 2008?  And do I have to use the other sales in the neighborhood since it should be comparable comps and these houses are the exact match?  Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: francisco</title>
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		<dc:creator>francisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 16:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi I bought my house last year on october 2010  for 200,000.
It was in the market for a long time first at 270,000 and and went down all the way to 230.000  whenI bought it for 200k.   I&#039;m protesting my apraised value of 377,000
Is my hud1 with the sale price of 200,000.  will be enough to lower it to the purchase price be enough or should I take more evidence.
thanks
Francisco</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi I bought my house last year on october 2010  for 200,000.<br />
It was in the market for a long time first at 270,000 and and went down all the way to 230.000  whenI bought it for 200k.   I&#8217;m protesting my apraised value of 377,000<br />
Is my hud1 with the sale price of 200,000.  will be enough to lower it to the purchase price be enough or should I take more evidence.</p>
<p>thanks<br />
Francisco</p>
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		<title>By: Katie McDonald</title>
		<link>http://www.lifestylesunlimited.com/how_to_protest_your_property_taxes_and_win/#comment-13266</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 00:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been going through all properties within my neighborhood number, and what I find is that about half the properties have a listed SF1 and SF3 with SF1 equal to the actual square footage of the lot (based on my deed) and the SF3 perhaps being land that is in excess of that. Does anyone know what that SF3 is about and if it can be protested? The other half of the neighborhood has only SF1 and I suspect that is probably all I should be getting taxed on as well. I think the excess may be right of ways that do not actually belong to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been going through all properties within my neighborhood number, and what I find is that about half the properties have a listed SF1 and SF3 with SF1 equal to the actual square footage of the lot (based on my deed) and the SF3 perhaps being land that is in excess of that. Does anyone know what that SF3 is about and if it can be protested? The other half of the neighborhood has only SF1 and I suspect that is probably all I should be getting taxed on as well. I think the excess may be right of ways that do not actually belong to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.lifestylesunlimited.com/how_to_protest_your_property_taxes_and_win/#comment-390</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though this thread has been inactive for some time, I thought that I would post my experience since it may help others.
I live in a planned community in north Fort Worth, Tarrant County.  All of the homes in the neighborhood are less than 5 years old and were constructed by two builders with similar lot sizes, exteriors, and finish.
My home was valued at a higher amount relative to recent sales that I have seen.  However, when browsing through the 2010 TAD statements, it was comparable.  Even so, I decided to protest based upon market value and unequal appraisal.
I found 10 comps that sold within the last 15 months, 9 of them were within the last 90 days, that made my case.  The mean avg. of these properties was $10 less than what my property was valued at.  I formatted these properties in a spreadsheet showing the following: address, year built, sell price, sqft, $/sqft, and value ration vs. my property.  I summarized the values as a mean average, then weighted my property since I have a larger lot.  I also presented a satellite map with all of these properties marked on the map along with photos of each property to show comparability.  Additionally, I included a MLS print out from a realtor showing the selected properties that made my case.  Finally, I included photos from my house showing a nearby gas well that was a visual and aural nuisance.
Even though I felt that I was prepared, I learned a great deal from the hearing.  To begin with, the board was very professional and non-threatening.  It consisted of 3 members (one of them the chairmen with whom I interacted with) along with a representative from TAD who sat at her computer and made her case when given the opportunity.  When it was time to present my case, I reviewed the comps, made the case that age was a non-factor since all homes are comparable, and when asked provided a value that I was seeking for my home (it is critical to know this before going into the meeting).  The TAD rep made their argument pointing out that most of my comps were not valid since the sales occurred after the first quarter of the year.  She proceed to highlight a single property that was most like mine to make here case that my property value was fair and even lower than the closest comp.
Prior to my rebuttal, the chairman explained to me that only comps from the previous year and the first quarter of the current year are valid for consideration.  Fortunately, I had two qualifying comps in my list.  I proceeded to make the case then based upon my two remaining comps verses the comps TAD was using, and countered TAD’s argument that age of my house played a role.  The 3 committee members worked on their calculators for a few minutes, discussed their finding among themselves, then offered me an adjusted value that was about 60% of the discount I was requesting.  The chairman explained to me that this was based upon comps and that if I wanted to pursue unequal appraisal then I could do so, but with a warning.  I provided 10 or so existing comps in the neighborhood with a lower value, but she told me that unequal appraisal would be based upon properties throughout the county and not just my neighborhood.  Obviously, in my case I felt that this could harm my case rather than help.  Therefore, I declined pursuing unequal appraisal and accepted there offer.
Overall, even though I didn’t get the full discount I was seeking, I was pleased.  I feel that if I would have had age appropriate comps then I would have been even more satisfied with the results.  On the bright side, however, I already have a great start when it comes to mounting evidence for next year’s protest!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though this thread has been inactive for some time, I thought that I would post my experience since it may help others.</p>
<p>I live in a planned community in north Fort Worth, Tarrant County.  All of the homes in the neighborhood are less than 5 years old and were constructed by two builders with similar lot sizes, exteriors, and finish.</p>
<p>My home was valued at a higher amount relative to recent sales that I have seen.  However, when browsing through the 2010 TAD statements, it was comparable.  Even so, I decided to protest based upon market value and unequal appraisal.</p>
<p>I found 10 comps that sold within the last 15 months, 9 of them were within the last 90 days, that made my case.  The mean avg. of these properties was $10 less than what my property was valued at.  I formatted these properties in a spreadsheet showing the following: address, year built, sell price, sqft, $/sqft, and value ration vs. my property.  I summarized the values as a mean average, then weighted my property since I have a larger lot.  I also presented a satellite map with all of these properties marked on the map along with photos of each property to show comparability.  Additionally, I included a MLS print out from a realtor showing the selected properties that made my case.  Finally, I included photos from my house showing a nearby gas well that was a visual and aural nuisance.</p>
<p>Even though I felt that I was prepared, I learned a great deal from the hearing.  To begin with, the board was very professional and non-threatening.  It consisted of 3 members (one of them the chairmen with whom I interacted with) along with a representative from TAD who sat at her computer and made her case when given the opportunity.  When it was time to present my case, I reviewed the comps, made the case that age was a non-factor since all homes are comparable, and when asked provided a value that I was seeking for my home (it is critical to know this before going into the meeting).  The TAD rep made their argument pointing out that most of my comps were not valid since the sales occurred after the first quarter of the year.  She proceed to highlight a single property that was most like mine to make here case that my property value was fair and even lower than the closest comp.</p>
<p>Prior to my rebuttal, the chairman explained to me that only comps from the previous year and the first quarter of the current year are valid for consideration.  Fortunately, I had two qualifying comps in my list.  I proceeded to make the case then based upon my two remaining comps verses the comps TAD was using, and countered TAD’s argument that age of my house played a role.  The 3 committee members worked on their calculators for a few minutes, discussed their finding among themselves, then offered me an adjusted value that was about 60% of the discount I was requesting.  The chairman explained to me that this was based upon comps and that if I wanted to pursue unequal appraisal then I could do so, but with a warning.  I provided 10 or so existing comps in the neighborhood with a lower value, but she told me that unequal appraisal would be based upon properties throughout the county and not just my neighborhood.  Obviously, in my case I felt that this could harm my case rather than help.  Therefore, I declined pursuing unequal appraisal and accepted there offer.</p>
<p>Overall, even though I didn’t get the full discount I was seeking, I was pleased.  I feel that if I would have had age appropriate comps then I would have been even more satisfied with the results.  On the bright side, however, I already have a great start when it comes to mounting evidence for next year’s protest!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.lifestylesunlimited.com/how_to_protest_your_property_taxes_and_win/#comment-389</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Trent, as noted above, my hearing was today.  They barely looked at my numbers and kept the value the same. Even though I asked for the HB packet before the hearing they never gave me the info you stateed regarding the HB. All I got from them is 7 highest priced sales and when I countered with 7 lower proced sales, they just ignored mine.  Then we discussed the unequal section and they invited me to have a &quot;ratio study&quot; done for the area.  The TAD is a racket.  I want to appeal but I need you as my attorney.  can /will you do it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Trent, as noted above, my hearing was today.  They barely looked at my numbers and kept the value the same. Even though I asked for the HB packet before the hearing they never gave me the info you stateed regarding the HB. All I got from them is 7 highest priced sales and when I countered with 7 lower proced sales, they just ignored mine.  Then we discussed the unequal section and they invited me to have a &#8220;ratio study&#8221; done for the area.  The TAD is a racket.  I want to appeal but I need you as my attorney.  can /will you do it?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.lifestylesunlimited.com/how_to_protest_your_property_taxes_and_win/#comment-388</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My hearing is tomorrow.  Early last week I requested the HB packet from Tarrant CAD.  They said the only info they use to determine my home value is recent sales and I was able to get a copy from the TAD website.  I did that, but all it is is MY property sale in Feb 08 and seven other sales throughout 2008.
#1 Are they holding the HB packet from me?
#2 Is it required to be 4 pages with CPA, ISD etc?
Also
My home was built in 1988, has 1823 sf, and I paid 134500 in Feb 2008.  The other properties included range from a. Living area   1544 to 2685 sqft  (-279 sf  and +862 sf) I do not think it is fair to compare
my house to one with 2685 sf like TAD   did, so I limited my search for homes +/- 320sf)
b.  Year built range: 1978-1988  (-10 years)
I managed to find 7 more prop sales that were closer to my criteria.
C. The lowest SP on TADs valuation is 127500 and the highest is 170000.  My search found me prop sales as low as 73000 with most of them being around 112000.
#3 It is for my 2009 taxes, should some 2009 sales be included?
I just feel like they are not giving me everything they used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My hearing is tomorrow.  Early last week I requested the HB packet from Tarrant CAD.  They said the only info they use to determine my home value is recent sales and I was able to get a copy from the TAD website.  I did that, but all it is is MY property sale in Feb 08 and seven other sales throughout 2008.<br />
#1 Are they holding the HB packet from me?<br />
#2 Is it required to be 4 pages with CPA, ISD etc?<br />
Also<br />
My home was built in 1988, has 1823 sf, and I paid 134500 in Feb 2008.  The other properties included range from a. Living area   1544 to 2685 sqft  (-279 sf  and +862 sf) I do not think it is fair to compare<br />
my house to one with 2685 sf like TAD   did, so I limited my search for homes +/- 320sf)<br />
b.  Year built range: 1978-1988  (-10 years)<br />
I managed to find 7 more prop sales that were closer to my criteria.<br />
C. The lowest SP on TADs valuation is 127500 and the highest is 170000.  My search found me prop sales as low as 73000 with most of them being around 112000.<br />
#3 It is for my 2009 taxes, should some 2009 sales be included?</p>
<p>I just feel like they are not giving me everything they used.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Yeo</title>
		<link>http://www.lifestylesunlimited.com/how_to_protest_your_property_taxes_and_win/#comment-387</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent Yeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 03:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you offer your neighbors&#039; closing statements and not your own, the board members will see that as fishy.  I would just go with the newly reduced values of your neighbors&#039; properties.
These new values won&#039;t be in the HB 201 evidence packet, you&#039;ll have to print them out individually from HCADs records on the public site.
Informally, the appraisers won&#039;t reduce your value on unequal appraisal when you just purchased it (and rarely ever in Harris Co).  You&#039;ll most likely have to take your case in front of the board.
Finally, you are NEVER required to show what you paid for your house.  Texas is a non-disclosure state and that is your business only unless you volunteer that info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you offer your neighbors&#8217; closing statements and not your own, the board members will see that as fishy.  I would just go with the newly reduced values of your neighbors&#8217; properties.</p>
<p>These new values won&#8217;t be in the HB 201 evidence packet, you&#8217;ll have to print them out individually from HCADs records on the public site.</p>
<p>Informally, the appraisers won&#8217;t reduce your value on unequal appraisal when you just purchased it (and rarely ever in Harris Co).  You&#8217;ll most likely have to take your case in front of the board.</p>
<p>Finally, you are NEVER required to show what you paid for your house.  Texas is a non-disclosure state and that is your business only unless you volunteer that info.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.lifestylesunlimited.com/how_to_protest_your_property_taxes_and_win/#comment-386</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!  I have confirmed that neighbors reduced with their actual settlement statements.  Do I need copies of their statements to use as comps or will what is on the hcad website work?  Some of these same properties were used in my &quot;packet&quot; from HCAD.
Also, am I legally bound to give them my settlement statement or tell them my purchase price?  I&#039;ve searched everywhere for that answer and can&#039;t seem to find it.  My neighbor went today to her informal and was told that they would not lower it below the purchase price because that was market value for that property.  They also immediately requested her settlement statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!  I have confirmed that neighbors reduced with their actual settlement statements.  Do I need copies of their statements to use as comps or will what is on the hcad website work?  Some of these same properties were used in my &#8220;packet&#8221; from HCAD.</p>
<p>Also, am I legally bound to give them my settlement statement or tell them my purchase price?  I&#8217;ve searched everywhere for that answer and can&#8217;t seem to find it.  My neighbor went today to her informal and was told that they would not lower it below the purchase price because that was market value for that property.  They also immediately requested her settlement statement.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Yeo</title>
		<link>http://www.lifestylesunlimited.com/how_to_protest_your_property_taxes_and_win/#comment-385</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent Yeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would use the new appraised values that your neighbors have received.  State that you are conceding the market value (purchase price) and simply basing your opinion of value on unequal appraisal. The appraisers/board members may tell you that you can&#039;t use changed values from this year, but I&#039;d do it regardless.
The tax code states that the most recent value should be used.  The District simply doesn&#039;t want you to use the new lower values for your benefit.
Also, talk to your neighbors who already had a successful hearing and ask them how they got the reductions.  That would be proof positive of how you should approach your hearing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would use the new appraised values that your neighbors have received.  State that you are conceding the market value (purchase price) and simply basing your opinion of value on unequal appraisal. The appraisers/board members may tell you that you can&#8217;t use changed values from this year, but I&#8217;d do it regardless.</p>
<p>The tax code states that the most recent value should be used.  The District simply doesn&#8217;t want you to use the new lower values for your benefit.</p>
<p>Also, talk to your neighbors who already had a successful hearing and ask them how they got the reductions.  That would be proof positive of how you should approach your hearing.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 23:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We live in a brand new section of an existing neighborhood (which we are connected to).  Our entire street was appraised at much higher than anyone actually paid and significantly higher ($40-100K) than section 1 - for the exact same houses by the same builder. I was first to purchase and paid much more than some of my neighbors.  Four of them have had their values reduced through protests nearly $100k.  Will I have to use my purchase price or can I argue that the values used for our street are unequal and use their prices?  There are virtually no comps in the neighborhood because all sales went through the builder so HCAD used another neighborhood.  My first meeting is 8/14</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We live in a brand new section of an existing neighborhood (which we are connected to).  Our entire street was appraised at much higher than anyone actually paid and significantly higher ($40-100K) than section 1 &#8211; for the exact same houses by the same builder. I was first to purchase and paid much more than some of my neighbors.  Four of them have had their values reduced through protests nearly $100k.  Will I have to use my purchase price or can I argue that the values used for our street are unequal and use their prices?  There are virtually no comps in the neighborhood because all sales went through the builder so HCAD used another neighborhood.  My first meeting is 8/14</p>
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